There can be some additional hurdles because of the rules around testosterone. I'm required to show legal identification every time I purchase it, and especially earlier in my transition there were frequent awkward moments at the pharmacy around this. Sometimes I was asked if it was for me or someone else. Many times I was asked what it was for. Occasionally I was asked if I wanted to have a preferred name on file since my name is gender ambiguous. Depending on the person behind the counter I would sometimes watch my ID disappear for a long time into an office with no windows. It was likely infuriating to them that my ID says "X" for the gender marker. And I'm in a super liberal location, nothing like Florida or Texas.
Someone else that I follow was talking about issues with hormone therapy, and I found myself wondering... (Maybe I shouldn't even ask, because I bet it's very illegal, but...) I'm a cisgender man who happens to know my testosterone levels are borderline low. What would be the feasibility of getting my doctor to put me on T and giving it to some transmasc person who didn't have access? Would that even make sense medically?
that’s an interesting question! medically, the T a doctor would prescribe to you as a cis person is the same drug a doctor would prescribe to a transmasc person starting hrt. so yes you could do this but there are risks. it would be very illegal and you could face a fine and/or period of incarceration if found guilty. there is also a risk for the trans person using your T prescription because it is medically best to work with a doctor to monitor progress, adverse physiological side effects, and proper dosages. doctors unfairly gatekeep access to T for trans patients and there’s no excuse for that. still its a good idea to use hormones with the direction of a doctor. however, there are resources online for this diy approach to hrt so anyone considering diy hormones should look for those before starting
I don’t think it’s ethically questionable. Just risky. The law doesn’t determine what’s right or wrong. And honestly, the risk might be worth it. Perhaps there are other ways to employ safety measures And test levels.
At my clinic, we are required to get periodic lab levels to make sure that you're talking it properly. The last clinic I worked at would not let patients have access to the medication. They were only allowed to come into the office for the injections to be given by nursing staff. They also require you to sign a contract saying if there is suspicion, you are cut off.
In Tennessee - A Class A misdemeanor carries penalties of up to 11 months and 29 days of imprisonment and a fine of up to $2,500.
I really truly hope people.figure out how to synthesise it via home chemistry etc. like, we cannot be dependant anymore of precarious supply lines from predatory corps. It's fucking dangerous.
Im a trans enby person who's lucky enough to volunteer in the office of a parent of a trans kid in the Wisconsin state legislature - I did a fair bit of research on exactly this question a few weeks ago.
Not only does Wisconsin allow any police agency to request these records, THERE IS NO AUDIT OR ACCOUNTABILITY PROCESS IN PLACE TO SEE IF THAT OCCURS! There is the broadest language imaginable, which allows ANY out-of-state agency or federal agency with ANY possible law enforcement responsibility to request these records, with no accountability or audit process.
Thank you for this! It'll be a wonderful resource.
i'm glad this is helpful!! the original article also identifies some states where records are sent to law enforcement automatically (i.e. without requests from law enforcement). the probability of police overreach here is really high. best of luck!
I had heard something awhile ago about Maga trying to figure out a way to find all trans people and eradicate them. I didn’t think that anyone would have access to our medical records without our consent due to HiPPA and the constitution, but of course, cis men had to go and fuck that all up. Testosterone wouldn’t even be a scheduled drug if cis men wouldn’t have abused it. Now trans people have to pay the price. I live in the Midwest where Maga doesn’t need a rhyme or reason to find us. This is not simple or easy. If they have the opportunity there won’t be anything stoping them. The news won’t cover any real news, so all we can do is fight back. We don’t have a choice to sit on our asses scared anymore, or none of us will exist in the future. It’s time to start a revolution for ourselves, our world, and our future. We deserve to exist. We are coming for them.
What happens if you have a medication and they don’t have records of it ?
I guess they could arrest you but if you were prescribed it and it’s very controlled they may think your lying but if your not o hope I’d get to sue someone ! I see all these huge lawsuits but the bigger problem is if they don’t allow you to take your medication, the results could be devastating. They would have to have a way to verify that you do or don’t have legal prescription. Scary thought
great question! it's really important to keep your prescription information to avoid any confusion. specific penalties depend on the scheduling of the substance and can include a period of incarceration and/or a fine. that said, law enforcement still needs a warrant or exigent circumstances to search and seize personal property. so the likelihood of this scenario is low
Also, check that the DEA is currently proposing mandating a NATIONAL PDMP. How would this prevent any state from accessing this information.
As a pharmacist, I hesitate because I still see a lot of abuse of testosterone by young cis men. And this helps keep it from causing damage. It’s a drug that has serious problems for young folk if misused/abused/diverted
Second, we should be more scared that some states are proposing scheduling abortion drugs as controlled substances. This is a huge concern right now as Roe has already been decimated.
It’s frustrating and we should be better at protecting this data. But we should be also watching the DEA with impunity. Because they can be helpful and harmful. I’ve seen things in 28 years. And I want to protect everyone from government overreach. But I also want to keep dangerous drugs from people who abuse them.
There can be some additional hurdles because of the rules around testosterone. I'm required to show legal identification every time I purchase it, and especially earlier in my transition there were frequent awkward moments at the pharmacy around this. Sometimes I was asked if it was for me or someone else. Many times I was asked what it was for. Occasionally I was asked if I wanted to have a preferred name on file since my name is gender ambiguous. Depending on the person behind the counter I would sometimes watch my ID disappear for a long time into an office with no windows. It was likely infuriating to them that my ID says "X" for the gender marker. And I'm in a super liberal location, nothing like Florida or Texas.
that's wild! thanks for sharing. i haven't had to do any of that for my estradiol prescriptions. yet another reason to deschedule testosterone!
They won’t ever deschedule it. It’s a controlled drug and people would abuse it since athletes and body builders use it for the wrong reasons.
Someone else that I follow was talking about issues with hormone therapy, and I found myself wondering... (Maybe I shouldn't even ask, because I bet it's very illegal, but...) I'm a cisgender man who happens to know my testosterone levels are borderline low. What would be the feasibility of getting my doctor to put me on T and giving it to some transmasc person who didn't have access? Would that even make sense medically?
that’s an interesting question! medically, the T a doctor would prescribe to you as a cis person is the same drug a doctor would prescribe to a transmasc person starting hrt. so yes you could do this but there are risks. it would be very illegal and you could face a fine and/or period of incarceration if found guilty. there is also a risk for the trans person using your T prescription because it is medically best to work with a doctor to monitor progress, adverse physiological side effects, and proper dosages. doctors unfairly gatekeep access to T for trans patients and there’s no excuse for that. still its a good idea to use hormones with the direction of a doctor. however, there are resources online for this diy approach to hrt so anyone considering diy hormones should look for those before starting
Thank you for answering my admittedly ethically questionable question. There's a lot to think about here.
I don’t think it’s ethically questionable. Just risky. The law doesn’t determine what’s right or wrong. And honestly, the risk might be worth it. Perhaps there are other ways to employ safety measures And test levels.
Thank YOU for asking it!
At my clinic, we are required to get periodic lab levels to make sure that you're talking it properly. The last clinic I worked at would not let patients have access to the medication. They were only allowed to come into the office for the injections to be given by nursing staff. They also require you to sign a contract saying if there is suspicion, you are cut off.
In Tennessee - A Class A misdemeanor carries penalties of up to 11 months and 29 days of imprisonment and a fine of up to $2,500.
soooo real ugh. this was such an illuminating breakdown of the internal machinery involved, most of which i wasn't familiar with. thank you ! <3
I really truly hope people.figure out how to synthesise it via home chemistry etc. like, we cannot be dependant anymore of precarious supply lines from predatory corps. It's fucking dangerous.
Thank you for sharing this!
Oh my God. They are doing everything they can to exterminate trans people.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!
Im a trans enby person who's lucky enough to volunteer in the office of a parent of a trans kid in the Wisconsin state legislature - I did a fair bit of research on exactly this question a few weeks ago.
Not only does Wisconsin allow any police agency to request these records, THERE IS NO AUDIT OR ACCOUNTABILITY PROCESS IN PLACE TO SEE IF THAT OCCURS! There is the broadest language imaginable, which allows ANY out-of-state agency or federal agency with ANY possible law enforcement responsibility to request these records, with no accountability or audit process.
Thank you for this! It'll be a wonderful resource.
i'm glad this is helpful!! the original article also identifies some states where records are sent to law enforcement automatically (i.e. without requests from law enforcement). the probability of police overreach here is really high. best of luck!
Keep up the amazing reporting!!
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I had heard something awhile ago about Maga trying to figure out a way to find all trans people and eradicate them. I didn’t think that anyone would have access to our medical records without our consent due to HiPPA and the constitution, but of course, cis men had to go and fuck that all up. Testosterone wouldn’t even be a scheduled drug if cis men wouldn’t have abused it. Now trans people have to pay the price. I live in the Midwest where Maga doesn’t need a rhyme or reason to find us. This is not simple or easy. If they have the opportunity there won’t be anything stoping them. The news won’t cover any real news, so all we can do is fight back. We don’t have a choice to sit on our asses scared anymore, or none of us will exist in the future. It’s time to start a revolution for ourselves, our world, and our future. We deserve to exist. We are coming for them.
Wow very interesting!
What happens if you have a medication and they don’t have records of it ?
I guess they could arrest you but if you were prescribed it and it’s very controlled they may think your lying but if your not o hope I’d get to sue someone ! I see all these huge lawsuits but the bigger problem is if they don’t allow you to take your medication, the results could be devastating. They would have to have a way to verify that you do or don’t have legal prescription. Scary thought
great question! it's really important to keep your prescription information to avoid any confusion. specific penalties depend on the scheduling of the substance and can include a period of incarceration and/or a fine. that said, law enforcement still needs a warrant or exigent circumstances to search and seize personal property. so the likelihood of this scenario is low
Also, check that the DEA is currently proposing mandating a NATIONAL PDMP. How would this prevent any state from accessing this information.
As a pharmacist, I hesitate because I still see a lot of abuse of testosterone by young cis men. And this helps keep it from causing damage. It’s a drug that has serious problems for young folk if misused/abused/diverted
Second, we should be more scared that some states are proposing scheduling abortion drugs as controlled substances. This is a huge concern right now as Roe has already been decimated.
It’s frustrating and we should be better at protecting this data. But we should be also watching the DEA with impunity. Because they can be helpful and harmful. I’ve seen things in 28 years. And I want to protect everyone from government overreach. But I also want to keep dangerous drugs from people who abuse them.
For the record: this isn’t trans folk.
This is scary af
Most of our cops are on it themselves.
Language, generally speaking, is the most superficial part of human interaction.
——Sister Carrie(written by Theodore Dreiser)